the fundamental principle of european law and the country in which there is a war, no one will deport anyone, especially at such moments, but nevertheless, i believe that the restriction of civil rights for people who have not fulfilled their duties should be extended to everyone , for all those, well , maybe someone doesn't need it, well, okay, well, but after the end of this war we have to win anyway, i don't want these people to come and have the same powers and rights as those citizens. who devoted their, their lives to the struggle, left their health and life, you understand, and in this context to be elected, to be elected, to work in public service, to work in law enforcement agencies, these citizens should be limited in these rights, this is my position, i do not deviate from it, well, these are my thoughts on this reason thank you, mr. major, for the conversation, it was ihor lapin, major of the armed forces of ukraine, special officer, people's deputy of ukraine of the eighth convocation. friends, we are working live on the tv channel. as well as on our

youtube and facebook platforms. for those watching us live there now, please subscribe to our pages on these platforms, and also take part in our voting. today we ask you about the following: will the global peace summit in switzerland accelerate ukraine's victory? yes, no, if you have your own, separate opinion, please write it under this video in the comments. if you're watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you think so. that the global peace summit in switzerland will accelerate the victory of ukraine 0800-211-381 no 0800 211 382 all calls to these numbers are free vote at the end of the program, we will sum up the results of this vote. next, we will be in touch with volodymyr ogrysko, diplomat, politician, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-9, head of the russian research center. mr. volodymyr, i congratulate you, thank you for joining us today. ether, i welcome you,

mr. serhiy, thank you for the invitation, i am always glad. mr. volodymyr, this week zelenskyi said that ukraine will not become a member of nato until the end of the war with russia, this was the result of his conversation with nato secretary general jens stoltenberg, whether this means that ukraine will have to look for other formats of cooperation with the alliance and outside it, well , the status of the main, for example, partner outside nato is meant. the united states of america or great britain, or the assistance and agreements that we have now with our main partners, the united states of america, great britain, germany, is enough to receive assistance and be part of this community, well, in this way ? well, it seems to me that really, as long as the hostilities are going on , not a single nato country... i'll vote

for ukraine to become a member of the alliance, they are afraid, they understand that this will mean the beginning of a full-scale war between nato and russia, and for them this is really, you know, a triple red line that they will not cross, so i think that in this regard, we must be realistic and understand that you cannot jump through, through yourself, what can be an alternative replacement, these are those... agreements that have already been signed and are being prepared, especially, i think, should be taken into account and the agreement that is currently being prepared with the united states of america, therefore that it should become truly decisive in the context of providing ukraine with everything necessary that the armed forces of ukraine will need for quite a long period. time, er, that is, all these agreements

are concluded for a period of up to 10 years, therefore, if it is possible to agree with the united states of america, that for this period clear supplies of weapons and equipment to us are planned, appropriate measures are taken to train our armed forces and so on and so forth, it will have a very positive uh... effect for our armed forces, and although there won't be, on it's a great pity, the analog of the fifth article of the washington treaty on the part of the usa, because we see that this is the way to go, our partners are afraid, well, then, it will mean that we are going in such a roundabout way, but we are somewhere. er, well, in a few steps to

what is called interoperability, which will then turn into normal membership of ukraine in this organization after our victory. mr. volodymyr, ukraine is already signing bilateral security agreements. and president zelenskyi said in an evening video message that ukraine is preparing more seven new bilateral security agreements, including with the united states of america, as you mentioned, is also ready to start negotiations on joining the european union. let's listen to what mr. zelensky said. we are preparing seven more. new security documents for our country, bilateral security agreements, including the security agreement of the united states, weapons, finances, political interaction. second, the european direction, as at every previous stage

of integration with the european union, depends a lot on our activity. ukraine already completely implemented its part of the obligations to... this june actually start accession negotiations, mr. volodymyr, if we talk about these bilateral security agreements, take into account what the representatives of italy said about the fact that there are no such legal obligations yazan or somehow it was said very correctly that this framework agreement is safe, and what is the status of these agreements if they are not... ratified by the verkhovna rada of ukraine and concluded between two states, that is, i understand that the status of international agreements, such as written in constitution, these agreements do not have, i understand correctly, well, i do not know whether they will not be submitted for notification, i do not know, well,

to what extent, to what extent this moment should be prescribed. from what we have seen, the ones that are currently signed seem to not require ratification, but let's say, if it is about an agreement with our most important partner, the united states of america, then it seems to me that it should be the ratification process, so that this would then impose on us and on the united states of america very clear and understandable obligations, relatively the word security, i... have spoken about it many times, and now i can repeat it, so to speak, probably for ease of use, but these are important, very important agreements, but about cooperation in the field of defense and security, a security agreement, if brothers, so to speak,

well, its essence is what is written in article five of the washington treaty, it is an obligation to join. in the war in the event of an attack on one of the members of the alliance, such an obligation , unfortunately, these agreements do not have, therefore , to call them one hundred percent security, i think this will be some exaggeration, but i will repeat once again, at the same time, they will help us a lot precisely in the field of defense and security, and therefore, the more of them, the better in principle. against this background , the president of france. emanuel macron once again said that sending european ground troops to ukraine is possible, provided that the russians break through the front, if the ukrainian leadership directly asks for it, this is what he said in an interview with zaekonovist. i

have a clear strategic goal: russia cannot win in ukraine, because if russia wins, so what will happen to european security? who can claim that putin will stop there? will it be safe for the neighboring countries, moldova, romania, poland, lithuania? and what will happen to the credibility of the europeans who spent billions saying that the survival of the continent is at stake, and at the same time did not help to stop russia, so we should not rule anything out, because our goal is that russia will never be able to win in ukraine . mr. volodymyr, our western partners quite often say that russia cannot... win in ukraine and russia must not win, but they do not continue this view and do not say that russia must necessarily be defeated. we have already talked about this many times, and yet, in the context of what emmanuel

macron said, why are they so careful to talk about or not agree that russia must be defeated? because, mr. sergey, they are afraid of it. due to two circumstances, due to the fact, and we have discussed this with you again several times, due to the fact that they do not know what will happen to the weapons that have been eaten, and secondly, they afraid of the unmanageable. spod, that is , a civil war that will cover this territory, well, after all, 17 million 2 km is a lot, that's why russia should not win, but you are right, without continuation, after that it goes, but it should not lose, well here is the balance, so she needs to be shown that she should get out of ukraine and not spoil our european atlantic. of the future, but it must be preserved in the same way, it must stick to

the heap, because we in the west do not know what to do with this quasi-state, if it will begin to fall apart, well, then we will think about it, but now we cannot talk about it, this is, unfortunately, quite, i would say, a nihilistic position, which actually only helps putin. to continue his, his war, if it were, but the truth is that i have to say kind words to president macron, i am generally surprised by his political metamorphosis when, when he started, he was very strongly opposed to the kremlin, then it began, the stage of some incomprehensible love and long telephone and other conversations with the dictator and fascist putin, and now again... probably the insight and understanding that it is necessary to act decisively with this country, and his

statements that we also have nuclear weapons, and that we will send our troops to ukraine in the event of an appeal by the ukrainian government, this is a cold shower for putin, he understands this very well, and the reaction to these statements was appropriate, well , the only question is that we want the same, so that we do not make important statements, but when it is necessary to make a decision, so that it is really made on time and could help us hold our ground. sir volodymyr, the minister, the new minister of foreign affairs of latvia, baiba braje, in an interview with european pravda, said that some western countries do not object to ukraine using their weapons on their territory. of russia and reuters now reports that david cameron, during his visit

to kyiv, also stated that ukraine has the right to strike russian territory with british weapons, does this mean that things are changing, but we are now seeing a change, and that fear is moving away from our western partners, what about russia, because... we saw how difficult they are gave weapons of various modifications, we saw how they decided for a long time whether to give us tanks, abrams and leopards, now it is about the fact that western weapons can fly towards the russian federation, what does this mean, does this mean that they want , so that putin still went to some peace talks, or to some negotiations, to some concessions. how to perceive these signals? well, this should be perceived, it seems to me, as the fact that, uh, some, some,

far from all western leaders understand that hopes for some kind of agreement with the kremlin, they useless well, unfortunately, we cannot talk about the fact that this applies to all western managers and leaders, we see how chancellor scholz is afraid to hand over tauruses to ukraine, despite the fact that germany. makes a huge contribution to strengthening our defense capability, well, now, thank god, attacks of that range have appeared, which allow us to do many necessary things, but how much was needed for this time, so this, you know, such a transition to a new way of thinking, it is so for western partners is difficult and so onerous, and so they themselves squeeze out these specks, this is the decision that it is still necessary to help ukraine, because

otherwise they will have to pay not billions, but trillions, well, that's true, let's imagine that russia, having pierced ukraine, goes to the european borders, to the borders of nato and the european union, well, that's all, it means that putin won just because he went there, but he said it right. he is not going to stop there, and then there will be the baltic countries, then there will be poland, then there will be romania and so on, that is , finally the west will start everything. still understand that it is necessary to help ukraine to beat the enemy, but not only to defend, because the best defense is an offensive, and what our armed forces are doing today, destroying the enemy's refinery, is an example of a completely new, strategic thinking of the ukrainian armed forces in how to

strike asymmetrically at the enemy and give him opportunities to develop his offensive. well, but before that, you see, our western partners need to grow up, and this growing up goes so slowly and so unreservedly that sometimes you think that, well, in order to accept some kind of solution, there really needs to be a year or a year and a half, well, a miracle is strange, as they say, and it is very expensive in ukraine, i mean that one way or another ukraine is paying for this delay and we... have a big the front and we have victims and we have the dead, and against this background, mr. volodymyr, another event to be held in switzerland on june 15, 16 is the global peace summit, and the official statement of the ministry of foreign affairs in switzerland states that that russia is not invited to this

summit, russia is not invited at this stage, says the message, switzerland has always detected. openness to invite russia to this summit, however, russia has repeatedly and also publicly stated that it is not interested in participating in this first summit. a high-level conference in switzerland is intended to start the peace process. switzerland is convinced that russia should be involved in this process. the peace process is unthinkable without russia. at the same time, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, dmytro kuleba, believes that it makes no sense to sit down at the renegotiation table with russia, since it will not be possible to achieve it. honest actions, let's listen to what he said, commenting on the prospects of a global peace summit in switzerland without the participation of russia. there are only two ways to get russia to act in good faith. the first is success on the battlefield, and the second is the presence of a coalition of countries that

share the same principles and the same approaches. that is why the summit does not involve the participation of russia, because... the purpose of this summit is to unite countries that share the principles and approaches on which further actions will be based, after that communication with russia can take place, and russia can become a negotiator because you're right, after all, you can't end a war without both sides participating. mr. volodymyr, under what conditions, in your opinion, can russia be a participant in the negotiations? well, on the condition of signing an agreement on, or rather an act of capitulation, i honestly do not see any other reasonable conditions, well, because let's hear, or rather remember, what russian officials of the highest level say, that ukraine must recognize new territorial

realities, that in translated from muscovite means that we must... agree to take over of our lands, and the second, key thing that the kremlin says is that ukraine should actually become a semi-colony of russia, because if we look at these proposals, which were circulated under the rubric of turkish initiatives, and some of them are leaked from the chinese . in any direction, the russian demands are written there, er, and somewhat sprinkled with others, already the whims of one or another country, that is, there is no ukrainian interest there, so what kind of negotiations can be conducted on such a basis, i honestly cannot imagine, uh, that's why uh, well, i, by the way, and in minister

kuleba's statement, frankly speaking... i didn't hear the imperative, it was said that maybe something will happen after this conference, maybe there will be some contacts, maybe there will be some it is not necessary to have direct meetings and so on, that is, i think that talking about negotiations with russia now is simply pointless, because there is no subject. for negotiations, and what can this summit do, yes, it can be useful politically, because yes, there are 80 or 90 or 100 countries that will gather, they will accept, important a document, some kind of statement, some kind of declaration, where the right words will be said, it really will not have any practical effect on russia, because more than once, more than one year

, relevant resolutions have been adopted in the un, with all the right words, but the only thing russia did not react to them, and is not reacting, that is exactly why it will also happen in geneva, in switzerland, excuse me, after this conference, and the main argument that will make russia think about how to end the war is success of our armed forces on the battlefield, another option in there is no conversation with russia, just when russia will understand that it will lose, and exactly when russia will understand that its industrial complex and its refineries, and what it is sitting on, will be destroyed in the future. then the people around putin will say: dear comrade putin, it's time for you to go to bed, and we 'll manage somehow without you here. that is exactly what

the possibility of final negotiations with russia means, otherwise we will get the same beast only after a certain period of time, which will then destroy ukraine to the ground. mr. volodymyr, one more topic that will be during this month, so sure, this is a thread trying to pump. the russian federation, through its mass media and disinformation, in particular in the west, is the topic of the alleged illegitimacy of president zelenskyi . on may 20, it will be 5 years since the inauguration of zelenskyi, lavrov has already said that, well , we will see what we will not recognize there , let's not, like zelenskyi will no longer be a legitimate president, it is clear that for... for us it is quite clear that president zelenskyi was and remains a legitimate president until the next elections, or is it it will be clear to the western audience that

the president's powers will be extended, this is the first time, and secondly, whether counter-propaganda regarding putin's legitimacy or illegitimacy could be effective in this situation, because he was... elected in the temporarily occupied territories of the ukrainian state, and this violation of all international rules, conventions and an excuse to, based on the resolution of the european parliament, talk about the fact that putin is illegitimate and with the corresponding consequences, so you know, mr. seri, it seems to me that lavrov you should better think about your pseudo-president and how he will move around the world, having an arrest warrant, even more so after these pseudo-elections, so you know, the ipso called the illegitimacy

of the ukrainian government, it has already been launched for a long time, it is already working, and now until the end of the month, i think there will just be a screeching of all these russian propagandists and so on, but i think we absolutely have to look at it. calmly understanding that we will not hear anything else from this russian propaganda, but what about our western partners calmly carry out the work in order to ensure that those pseudo-arguments that will definitely be launched and are already launched on the western information market, so that they do not make any impression there, must be made correspondingly clear. and clear statements, statements of a legal nature, i hope that this will be done before this date, in order

to put an end, to put an end to all these insinuations, because for muscovy the most important and most important thing is not only some tactical advance on the battlefield, and the division of ukrainian society, and for this they are will do everything, everything depends on them. sir? vladimir, at the end, a very short question, regarding this resolution of the european parliament, regarding the illegitimacy of putin, to what extent is this resolution, which is of course of a recommendatory nature, how far can it be adapted or how far can other countries say, we do not recognize putin's powers, referring to it . well, you are right, mr. sergey, it is advisory, it is political, but it creates. well, the atmosphere, and therefore, i think that its importance is unparalleled, that's all it depends on the political will of each country, if it is there, then you can ... calmly

refer to this resolution and make an appropriate decision, if it is not there, then no resolution will help. thank you, mr. volodymyr, for the conversation, this was volodymyr o. hryzko, politician, diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-9. and another small topic at the very end of our program is the use of artificial intelligence in the ministry of foreign affairs, created by the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine. with the use of artificial technologies intelligence a digital person named victoria shi, who will officially comment on consular information for the media. in her congratulatory video message, the virtual spokeswoman of the ministry of foreign affairs explained the essence of her work, let's listen. first of all, i will inform the public, convey operational and verified information of the consular service of the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine. i will inform journalists about the work

of consuls on the protection of rights. interests of ukrainian citizens abroad, i will also talk about the response of the ministry of foreign affairs to incidents or emergency situations abroad and inform about other important consular issues? this lady was created on the basis of a real person, that is, artificial intelligence created from a real person, she is the ukrainian singer ruzali nombre, to be honest, i do not know such a singer, well, at least in the message it is about... only that it is rosali nombre, and the question here is quite simple: is the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine lacking experienced diplomats, internationalists who can comment on consular issues and be real spokespeople for the ministry of foreign affairs? affairs of ukraine, why is it necessary to resort to artificial intelligence, to an avatar that will comment on consular information, well, the question arises. it is quite

simple why the ukrainian government is gradually turning into a kind of hologram, that is, if a living, living person, a real person comes out, starts commenting on consular issues, which , of course, is quite active now, there is a need for these issues in ukrainians abroad, who, some of whom do not currently receive consular services, because they have to update their data there in... the central committee, or is this avatar credible or not ? for me, this is an open question, because i would like to see a real person with a real name, a spokesman for the ministry of foreign affairs, who will comment on all consular issues, and not some shi avatar, an artificial intelligence that tries to explain something to ukrainians. it seems to me that during the war this is a completely unsuccessful idea, especially this

shi avatar, this ... shi speaks in such a state language that it is very difficult to understand what she is talking about, it seems that they wrote some circulars there and wrote a speech this inaugural speech to this shi avatar, well let's see how they will use this shi avatar. friends, i would like to remind you that during this broadcast we conducted a poll and asked you whether the global peace summit in switzerland will accelerate the victory of ukraine. let's look at the interim results of this survey. 26% yes, 74% - no, these are the results of our survey today, do not forget that espresso is not only a tv channel, we also have a website and social networks, join our information resources, thank you all for your attention, this was the verdict program, serhii rudenko will be the host, goodbye.

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