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[inaudible conversations] >> the subcommittee will be in order. >> without objection, the chair declares a recess at any time. i want to welcome everyone to this morning's hearing. thank you to our subcommittee members who are here. thank you for being with us as well. the department of commerce's fiscal year 25 budget request totals 11. $4 billion which which is 654 million, or 6% increase over fiscal year 24 and acted level.

this includes initiatives related to bolstering trade enforcement, innovation and manufacturing technology, economic development and many others, all initiatives that are vital to american prosperity. i'm pleased to see increases requested for workforce development initiatives and strengthening supply-chain security. the department of commerce's mission to spur economic growth and opportunities for all americans grows more and more important every day. we are facing foreign economic influences and challenges that can only be halted by prioritizing domestic competition and american labor.

investment strategies to improving industrial standards the department of commerce is on the front line at our fight to combat china economically. through hearings like this one and a close examination of the budget priorities that you submitted. along with my colleagues, will ensure the department of commerce uses all the tools and resources to take on china directly. beyond international matters the commerce department plays a significant role in economic expansion and prosperity within our nation's borders. my district is in the heart of appalachia in southeastern kentucky. i've witnessed the stress caused by the downturn of the coal mining industry.

i've seen firsthand the things that can happen when we empower small and rural communities through job creation and economic opportunity. the economic development administration and its assistance programs encourage innovation by providing competitive incentives for job creation in struggling communities. this year's budget also proposes investments in newer programs such as the re-compete pilot program and the regional technology and innovation hub program. both programs, aimed to create sustainable innovations to train the next generation workforce. it is no secret the american economy was and continues to be

built on ingenuity, taking smart and calculated risks. the federal government and particularly the department of commerce should not stand in the way of hard-working americans. i look forward to hearing how this year's budget request prioritizes american innovation and competitiveness. so let me now recognize the ranking member of the subcommittee, mr. cartwright. >> thank you, mister chairman, good morning to you and good morning to our witness and welcome, honor gobble gina raimondo, secretary of commerce, i don't think it's an exaggeration to say the department of commerce right now is more central to our national interests than ever. it is responsible for a broader than ever set of priorities,

your department is at the forefront of critical efforts driving american competitiveness. american national security, american technological leadership. you are responsible for an awful lot. overseeing billions of dollars to help expand access to broadband, maintaining export controls that protect our national security, identifying weaknesses in supply chains, providing accurate and reliable longworth house office building forecasting, bringing good jobs to distressed communities. the chairman just mentioned the re-compete program and i'm interested in that. jumpstarting our semiconductor manufacturing industry, conducting an accurate census, trade interests of american businesses and leading the way on safety and development for critical emerging technologies

like artificial intelligence and that's just a sample of your highest profile work. i look forward to hearing about the department's commitment to keep american manufacturing, our supply chains and overall global competitiveness stronger. the president's fiscal year 25 budget request of 11.4 billion in discretionary funding for the department of commerce represents an increase of 5. 9% for the department's important and diverse missions all of which are critical for the success of american workers and businesses in the 21st century. the request focuses on many of the department's needs and it was interesting to read the census request as the bureau prepares for the 2030 census, seems like just yesterday we were gearing up for the 2020 census. the department continues to implement key components of the

bipartisan chips and science act and the infrastructure investment and jobs act, programs under these acts will expand broadband access across the country and revitalize america's competitive edge in semiconductor research, develop and and manufacturing. i look forward to hearing further about these issues and others and i thank you, madam secretary, for your ongoing work and presence and testimony today. thank you, mr. chairman, i yelled back. >> we now recognize our witness, gina raimondo, for opening statement. without objection, the written statement will be entered into the record. >> welcome to the subcommittee. >> thank you, good morning to all of you, special thank you to chair rogers, ranking member cartwright, thank you for your leadership and all members of the subcommittee, thank you for this opportunity this morning to discuss the president's budget and i want to say thank

you for your strong support of the department in a bipartisan way we have received excellent support from your committee and i want to say thank you for that. as you said, the commerce department is implementing major initiatives, authorized by congress through the infrastructure investment and jobs act, inflation reduction act, chips and science act, thanks to you and these laws and the funding you provided every day at the commerce department, we are tackling our nation's most pressing economic and national security priorities. it's not an exaggeration to say the commerce department is doing more now than we ever have before. the budget request, as you said is for 11. $4 billion in discretionary funding and $4 billion in mandatory funding for fiscal 25 and dime here to assess the budgeted ask you for your support for the budget. permit me to highlight a few of

our key priorities, first, the budget positions america to prevent china and other countries from obtaining us technology, capital, and expertise, for activities that threaten our national security. specifically includes $223 million increase for bias which bans export control enforcement and 5 million for ita to address risks from outbound investments into sensitive technologies in china. second, the budget promotes america's technological leadership and responsible innovation in artificial intelligence. we all know ai is the defining technology of our generation so we are asking for $30 million for the ai safety institute and also money for in tia to

establish an ai and emerging technology policy lab. with ai we need to invest and go fast. at the same time keep a lid on the risk. the budget supports resilient supply chains. it includes an increase of $12 million in ita to support a supply chain resiliency office, and includes $37 million from manufacturing usa program and one hundred $75 million for manufacturing extension partnership. we cannot be a great country unless we manufacture in america and have resilient supply-chain so that is what these investments are 4. the budget provides resources to strengthen our relationship with our allies, to advance our shared values and shape the strategic environment in which china operates. we have to outcompete china. that means we have to show up

around the world. the budget includes $379 million for ita, to expand us exports and services to help us businesses grow in foreign markets. the budget invests in good jobs and equitable growth as the chairman referenced budget requests for billion dollars in mandatory funding for tech hubs and $523 million in discretionary funding get your eda in order for eda to advance its mission of tech hubs, job training, the good jobs challenge and foster geographic diversity and innovation. also invests $80 million in the and bda to continue our services for socially and economically disadvantaged businesses. the budget invests to address climate change. it includes $6.5 billion for

noah including $2 billion for the nation's weather and climate satellite can $1.4 billion for the national weather service, 212 million for climate research. finally, the budget invests in our fundamental science infrastructure, the budget invests over $400 million in fundamental research infrastructure, science research at nola and in tia, this includes critical investments in maintenance, renovation and improvements at our campuses. in closing, i want to echo what the chairman said and the ranking member said, our work at the commerce department focuses on strengthening america's competitiveness at home and abroad so workers, families and businesses can

participate and prosper in 20 first century global economy and protect our national security. with that, i am happy to answer your questions. >> thank you. madam secretary. we will now proceed under the 5 minute rule for questions. i will begin by recognizing myself. madam secretary, between the census of the us population grows and changes, therefore effective and efficient government requires high-quality and objective sources of information. how does the census bureau determine what questions will be included? >> thank you for the question,

we are gearing up for 2030 which is closer than you might think. i am so proud to say we have unbelievably high quality data scientists, economists at the census and they are constantly in the process of using the best data science and statistics techniques to figure out how do you ask these questions to get the best information. fundamentally the census should have nothing to do with politics, it should be about getting the data so we have the best objective picture possible of all the people who are in america and information we can gather about them and their needs. >> illegal immigration is out of control. there's a crisis at the southern border and just like you needed to be an american

citizen to vote, i think you should be an american citizen to be counted in the census just like voting, census data has a direct impact on our representation. if a locality knows they can receive greater representation in congress and greater resources from the federal government, doesn't the current policy encourage that locality to flout illegal immigration laws, to inflate its own census numbers? would the secretary like to comment? >> respectfully i do not agree with that. the constitution is crystal clear, our job is to count all persons without regard to their immigration status.

as you said before, very proud of the professionals who work at the census. my job is not to inject my political views or the president's political views or anyone's political views into the way they do their job, their job is to be nonpartisan, collect the best data possible and count every person. >> given china's increasing dominance in various industries including technology, i would hope that the international trade administration is working towards a plan to prioritize national security concerns alongside efforts to grow us exports and reduce the trade deficit with china.

what measures are they taking to prevent the transfer of sensitive us technology to china? >> thank you for the question. this is what i spend my time on which is making sure we do everything we can to deny china. the most sophisticated technology. bias working with ita, we try to have a robust program. i'm very proud to say that in my tenure we've put more chinese companies on the entity list than under any other commerce secretary. last year we had more convictions export control violations than ever before, and we are constantly, i wake up every single day figuring out how we might tighten our control to make sure china cannot get access to our most sophisticated chips, ai, quantum, etc.

. the budget requests additional funding for bias. it has been flat for two years but licensing requests are going like this, the threat is going like this, the budget requests money for ita so we can do outbound investment screening, make sure us money doesn't go to advanced chinese capabilities in these sensitive areas. i will leave it at that but i shared a priority. >> ita ensure that us businesses are not inadvertently supporting china's military ambitions or engaging in activities that cause a threat to us national security. what steps is ita taking to strengthen these processes to ensure compliance with export controls?

>> we are constantly looking, the thing here we watch mostly is dual use, technology that can be used in a commercial application but also the military. so that is the hard work of what we do, trying to figure out commercially available technologies by us companies the china doesn't have but they want access to to advance their military. so it is constant vigilance like constantly interfacing with us companies, constantly gathering data and importantly, and forcing under my leadership we have imposed the largest single civil penalty ever for a company in this case seagate who went around our export control. we have had more convictions last year than any year before. it's a combination of changing the policy, working with

companies but also being serious about enforcement. >> mr. cartwright. >> thank you, mr. chairman. gina raimondo, you finished your opening statement rightly pointing out that our top priority in the commerce department is national security and i agree with that. i want to follow up on questions the chairman had, in an interconnected and rapidly modernizing world our biggest challenges to national security are often problems of economics and technology, two areas the department of commerce leads. you have been using the three letters bias a lot and a lot of people are not familiar with that. it stands for the bureau of industry and security. you got to say that whole title for people who don't know what

that is. the bureau of industry and security, this year your request includes $32 million increase in requests for 26 new positions. i would like you to discuss how the bureau of industry and security request. and china's military modernization. >> bureau of industry wasn't very well known. and and with really sold -- and study these dual use technologies.

and make certain china cannot access our technology. in the budget request. $8 million for export control officers. if we are going to go after the bad guys we need to be on the ground collecting data to find them when they do a end run around export controls, asking 3.5 million for it systems. we need to know where they are at all times and it is not just china. not just china. we find chinese and uranian equipment in drones in russia. in any event, it is a leading-edge of a country's national security, the threat is quadrupling and i am requesting additional money. >> your request is noted. madam secretary, as the scope

of the agency's work continues to expand, do you worry about being able to hire and retain staff with technical expertise and what is being done to address this challenge. >> i worry about it constantly. if you are going to compete the us government needs the top tech challenge that there is and it is why for example i am requesting money for artificial intelligence and safety institute. and i worry about it. that is the incentive. i'm proud of our track record, we recruited somebody from open ai to come and work for us, a

leading scientist, the chips team run by the best semiconductor professionals in the industry. it is a daily challenge, requesting funding, very impressed with the quality of people we've been able to get. >> speaking of ai. what specific investments are you proposing? >> we are asking funds for the ai safety institute. everyone is worried about synthetic content we want companies to watermark. what is adequate are watermarking? and the ai safety institute to develop standards, and investing in scientist.

and very much looking forward to working with congress. congress needs to legislate as it relates to ai and supporting that effort. >> that will be part of mist, national institute for science and technology. >> people don't understand -- >> yield back. >> mr. gonzalo's. >> iran hates the united states, and iran is eating

america's lunch. the department of commerce plays a key role in enforcing us sanctions on iran. i'm concerned that reports that uranian drones used in ukraine were determined to have been built with numerous components for american firms, to iran at xbox he is using drones with american-made technology to attack american personnel and our allies. >> i would like to hear them. they had export controls in place. 39 other countries. they were affected. they are affected. they went to iran and china and we see what you are seeing. we continue to tighten. constantly adding entities to our list.

with respect to iran, they put together a task force with the doj and dhs to enforce our export control, there's more work to be done. what i would tell you is every tool is throwing at the problem. actual policy controls for export control agents. we have to be able to enforce these rules and stay vigilant on it every day. >> i would love to visit with you and walk through. i continue to hear concerns from rural communities, larger than the state of pennsylvania. a large part of it is in rural communities. folks in south and west texas, communication providers in these areas talk about their potential ability to

participate in the agency's initiative, lack of it due to the large size of the areas for applicants to serve as well as the challenges delivering services at a low mandated rate to certain consumers. what is agency done about these concerns. from an urban area. >> are hitting on the topic, and every american has access. we are focused on rural. and what the governor's team and using math to figure out what is not covered. to companies that cover everyone including rural areas.

i feel confident based on everything i know that we will get every community, even the most rural, we will have to be agnostic. they may not be affordable and make sure everybody has access that is affordable. the way it works is every state has to submit a plan. and >> a very serious concern. it has nothing to do with the color of your skin. it has everything to do with where you live. it is a difficult problem sets. and it goes away.

how do we incorporate technology into speeding up this process. there's a lot of options. and i want to talk about the delays for certifications through agencies, cryptographic, modular validation programs, sitting on an enormous backlog, some as far back as 2,020 one, certain components that went into civilian anti-permit of defense systems for data security and encryption. what is your plan is to address this backlog? >> let me get you a more detailed answer. the backlog is driving me crazy? i will promise i'll get back to you. >> i yield back. >> mr.

laurel is recognized. >> thank you, mister chairman. if i might ask unanimous consent to put my opening state within the record and i want to welcome gina raimondo. i want to say, a moment before that. so delighted to have you here today. and the economic process for catastrophe, at the help of this committee. improving the supply-chain and invested in our community, increase manufacturing, help small businesses grow and through the appropriate investment process and legislated efforts like chips and science act infrastructure, and this is competitive.

let me just, you know what question i'm going to start with first. a second round. that the investment. we talked about this many times. review mechanism is important to national security. american investments are not advancing the military as we pointed out as you pointed out technological capabilities of our adversaries. we focus to hearing last year, discussing the importance of targeting this policy through investments that directly impact national security. the administration issued an executive order, created the investment program, prohibits investments in countries involving sensitive technology and products and require notification for investments involving lower risk aspects.

i understand the national trade administration to provide key support for industry for technical expertise. understanding security risks associated with rapidly advancing cutting edge technology. the project request, increase of 5 million, 12 positions in ita to create this new offer. as treasury continues to work on regulation, to what extent, ita started supporting implementation of outbound investment. in 2024. and staff dedicated to it. >> yes we do. thank you for your persistent focus on this issue. it's incredibly important and relates to what we are talking about.

we decided to focus on semiconductor, quantum ai to make sure money isn't funding those initiatives in china. treasury is in the lead. as i understand it by the end of this calendar year the rule will be done so we can start to implement it. what we are doing in the meantime is building a team and asked 5 million to continue to study the industry, treasury is in charge of the finances and how to do the rule. we are helping them to figure out which pieces of ai should we be most worried about, which kinds of companies should we be most worried about? when we talk about quantum, what does that mean? we are providing commercial industrial technological know-how to match up against

treasury's financial know-how and are already hard at work doing that. >> beyond what's included in the budget is there anything else that you can share about your resource needs, how ita will ramp up investments to support activities, given the technical expertise required do you expect hiring will be a challenge? what are the spaces we might be able to help? >> i appreciate that. a few spaces. one is data. the investments we are talking about in public stock market companies, private money, hard to track candidly. any data we can get access to to track these private investments by us and our allies is very important. buying data sets, buying it systems, and the other thing is

people. we need to attract like we were talking about before, like ai specialists, quantum specialists, not so much scientists but commercially minded people like former venture capitalists which is hard. it is hard. we've done it in the chips program. we had former investors and such and i think we can do on ita. that's the challenge. >> final point, how will ita anticipate in identifying technology and products that may be needed to add to those covered by the program now? we had a conversation in the past about critical minerals, batteries, etc. . what will be the process of looking at what we should have? >> one of the other budget

requests, i can't remember the precise number but we are asking additional money for our supply-chain management office, $12 million we are asking for is ita. i will tell you when i started as secretary, we were using excel spreadsheets and getting on the phone with companies to do supply-chain tracking and building a team, they built a team, happy to model the product we built for anybody here, we can track and monitor our most critical supply-chain vulnerabilities, we need to keep buildings that. need to be much more proactive instead of, predicting where we are going to have a supply-chain problem, where is china poised to take advantage of that, that's the direction we are moving into instead of

just being reactive, you know, we are out of baby formula on the shelves. ..>> thank you for the additiol time. >> mr. clyde? >> thank you, chairman, and thank you, adam secretary. the bureau of industry and security enforces export controls, correct? sec. raimondo: correct. >> >> according to the guiding principles that on its website, the bureau of industry and security should ensure the regulations it promulgates does not adequately impose unreasonable restrictions on legitimate international commercial activity, and equipment the bureau's guiding principles state they should avoid regulatory actions that quote compromise the international competitiveness of u.s. industry. you're asking for a budget increase for the bureau of industry and security of $32.4 million and also the international trade administration whose responsibility it is to strengthen international competitiveness of u.s. industry

promoting trade and investment, you're asking $30.59 for them as well. both increases totaling over $60 million.ar and yet the bureau of industry and security finalized its and rome final role in april 30 of this year that probally extends the current paws on firearm export licenses. violating both the previously outlined bureau guidelines by severely restricting american firearm ammunition to the component manufacturers from acquiring the necessary licenses to export their products for sale. under this interim final rule the duration of a firearm export licenses will be reduced from four years to one with approvals occurring on a case-by-case basis. following implementation of the truly proximally 2000 active firearm export licenses that were previously approved will be automatically revoked. compelling the affected company to support new applications for export licenses. so much for the paperwork reduction act.

in fact, the national shooting sports foundation estimates this could have an s adverse economic impact of greaternt than $250 million for the united s states firearms industry,, severely hurting the countless firearm industry manufacturers, suppliers and jobs that are supporting, that are supported across the country. i request unanimous consent to submit to the record in this firearm and ammunition industry economic impact report by the national shooting sports foundation. thank you. this will will cause massive confusion in the market. it will terminate current business, it will damage the good will of the brands firearm manufacturers and eliminates future business. so madam secretary, $250 million is a huge amount. would you consider that an adverse economic impact? and would you consider that as

compromise in the competitiveness of the u.s. industry abroad? >> thank you for the question. i will say this. national security has to come before commerce. it's one of the hardest parts of my job. i tell semiconductor companies that they can't sell the chips to china. it denies the revenue but first and foremost its national security. i want to say i hear you. i hear you and i appreciate your concerns, but the reality is this is a very narrowly targeted change to tighten up our license requirements. it's based upon the data we have of our own diversion to guns in one place to wind up in hands of criminals or drug traffickers or terrorists. and we are denying or making it very hard to sell guns to 36 countries that have unrest, future drug cartels.

it is not in america's national security interest to export guns that wind up in the hands of criminals that could destabilize those countries or, quite frankly, our own country. i will tell you every one of those people that had has ae revoked can reapply, but it's going to be under stricter scrutiny in light of the evidence we have around diversion. >> well, these are embedded countries. obviously these licenses were approved in the past -- vetted. this is going to cost the united states arms industry a tremendous amount of money. so wasn't any communication with the white house regarding this rule? >> probably, but, you know, no decisions we make have any, if you're insinuating wasn't any political to this, absolutely not. we have data from the gao and other places that say when law

enforcement agencies confiscate guns in these 36 countries in connection with crime, drug crimes, cartels cartels, terrorists, they are guns that a been diverted. they were sold to a legitimate commercial user and averted. that's against american national security and that's what it took the steps. by the way, as proof that these are narrowly targeted, as everything we do in the eis, restrictions will affect less than 10% of all gun exports your so i don't agree with you -- i agree, i admit it is some commerce but i think national security comes first i don't agree that its large swaths of commerce. these are narrowly tailored to meet the national security mission. >> at $251 economic impact nine dollars economic impact is not narrowly tailored. i certainly cannot support this increase in funding when bis comes out with this particular type of google, and i yield bac

back. >> mr. morelle. >> thank you very much, mr. chairman and ranking member cartwright for holding this important hearing. and madam secretary, thank you for joining us today and for your service, that of your staff. we interact often with them and pull operations. incredible professional, very helpful. i want to talk briefly about regional tech hubs. appreciate again your leadership in the space, which is been extraordinary. if you could just help articulate, my hope is that we will find ways to a robust, consistent, predictable funding for the regional tech hub program over the next decade. it seems to me that's important not only aid those areas will reinvest them but also to attract private capital. something i a know you know a great deal about. i would if you talk from the perspective of the achieving the mission and attracting private

capital from any of these communities, why that robust consistently is important for predictability? >> thank you, congressman. i have to secondly i got this far internet without someone asking about techh comes, and here's why. in my entire topic type ot i've never seen a more popular program on a bipartisan basis in rural communities. it's unbelievable. it's a great program that you created an authorized. we have 400ea applications askig for about $2 billion. we will have the money to make half a dozen tech hub investments of size of 30, $40 million. so i wish -- of the 400 we identify 31 that we thought were really the best. every single one of those worthy

of funding but due to the funny constraints in eda, we will come like a disabled you like to ten-ish investments. this is necessary for a national security. i can do everything possible inn the world with spirit of industry and security to deny china.ve the way we will beat china is by outinnovating china. that means stepping into the technology resources and talent in every nook and cranny of a concluding by the way chairman rogers, in coal country and enroll country. i mean, kentucky has a great tech hub proposal. i don't have them on the rise by all of your districts your states up again great tech hub programs. silicon valley, boston, new york city don't have a monopoly on great talent, great ideas and great technology. and the whole point of tech hubs is to get outside of those

communities and consistently fund innovation in america to make a stronger to outcompete the world. you know the budget ask for additional funding for that. i i respectfully request that additional funding. it will make america stronger in every way possible. >> i appreciate that. i'm sure i get points for being the first point ask a want to turn quickly and i talked about it a fair amount. i actually introduce legislation which would prohibit disclosure deepfake inl ai pornography which as it turns out, this is troubling, 96% deepfakes online are pornographic or intimate in nature. but what i really appreciate about the ai safety institute is that part of that is to look at content authenticity detection which usually importance of

people can be certain or have some degree of confidence with a legit action israel and it has been adapted for fake in some way. could you talk a little bit about which anticipate what you envision united states to be able to identify that? >> yeah, thank you for your legislation. it is really scary and unbelievable to see some of these deepfakes. are you guys have seen them. what were going to get the budget request for nist is a couple things. one, develop the decides toe to identify what is authentic versus what is ai generated. but, two, i think we need to get to a place where we come and we will need congresses help to do this, when we require companies to identify is this ai generated content or is it real content?

they will do that by some process of watermarking. what were going to do at nist is figure out what is adequate watermarking. so that it's all about trust. ail is exciting. it can cure cancer fats, create medicine faster, but people have to trusted and so we're going to develop standards about synthetic content and watermarking so that an individual when they see it will know is a if they could is it real, and that if it is watermarked, fake or real, they can trust in that watermarked. >> i appreciate that evan know my time is up but i would also say we need to think about the data sets used to train ai models. i don't think there's enough conversation around that and i would love to interact with your staff. just initial thought. mr. chairman, thank you. i yield back. >> mr. elizey. >> thank you, mr. chairman. thank you, madam secretary, for

being here today.od i would like to first give a consummate on bureau of industry and security restriction sale of chips from intel and qualcomm to huawei in response to a letter from senator rubio and others. the turnaround was fantastic. as well as using ntia for 400 $1 in grants to offset what huawei has done. they are real threat and have been for 20 years and think we are realizing that. i want to start with just a complement. i want to transition to taiwan and the south china sea. can you discover me exactly approximately how much of the world's commerce goes through the south china sea?e >> massive amounts. just ten seconds on your prior thing. technically i'm not allowed to talk about any particular license revocation. however, back to our conversation, huawei is a threat. and i is our focus. as we get more data around our

threats, we make changes to tighten the screws, including revoking licenses that had been previously given. so without commenting on those two companies, specifically, i want to reassure you are constantly on it, tightening screws were we need to including revoking licenses. i do have a number for you but massive -- >> itns is about one-third. about a third of the world speedy massive amounts of commerce. >> that is right into the city of taiwan. can you briefly describe what happens if china invades taiwan and lockstep as i can see to american commerce and takes over tsmc? >> it would be absolutely devastating. >> how devastating? >> well, right now, i'm not commenting on whether that's what happened, how to an applicant is it would happen. what i can tell you is right now the united states buys 92% of its leading edge chips from

tsmc. tsmc. >> that is because they are two generations ahead of anything we can build in the united states, correct? sec. raimondo: there are vastly ahead of anything we are doing in the united states. the announcement tsmc just made in arizona will be to build two nanometer and three nanometer stuff. >> it makes it essential for us to defend the south china sea and taiwan, not just one place. would you agree? sec. raimondo: i would agree. >> on the chips issue, we are finding chips from north korean drones being used by russia to attack ukraine have american ships in them, so what is bis doing to stop that flow? it appears they can use what we think are harmless commercial grade chips to use for legal

purposes around the world at a time that very much looks like 1940. can we be doing more or are you doing all of you can and some just slip through? what do you think? sec. raimondo: a few things. the fact that they have to use chips from breast pumps and refrigerators, which is what they are doing, is because our initial controls worked. we are denying this sophisticated stuff, which has slowed them down usually, which is what they are doing. they're having to rely on iran and china to do this. that is not good news, but it is what it is. we are doing everything we know how to do his fastest weekend with the resources we have. for example, when we find out a chinese company is going around our expert controls to russia, we put that company on the

entity list. when we find out, we create a task force with the hsn doj to help us identify and prosecute countries or companies that go around our export controls. listen, if you have ideas of more you think we can do, i want to hear them. i think we are doing everything we with the resources that we have. it is massively frustrating and anchoring when you see russia do what they do and work with folks like china to get around our export controls. >> i know you are doing the best you can do, especially in the national security realm. i yield back. host: -- >> mr. roethlisberger. >> i think you are doing a great job. keep doing it. you have areas you are involved

in, and you are coming together as a team to make a difference. i also want to thank you for designating baltimore as a tech hub. we are excited to go after the funds, a total of $200 billion over the next five years. the president and ceo of maryland medical system is well, the chair of the baltimore board of directors at the application reflected the collective belief in the productive potential of health technologies to revolutionize our industries and elevate entire communities. i have spent close to 21 years in congress advocating for national security. when i was in leadership on the intelligence community the chairman and i were to keep huawei out of the united states systems. we knew huawei was a backdoor threat that could cripple the u.s. if we put them in an

adversarial system and it almost happened when the governor of texas brought them into united states. for a long time, we knew china stole from us. there were taking everything from fertilizer recipes to advanced technology. threats of the come from the ceiling of u.s. technology is great read look at china's space program. they made the best of advances by stealing from us. the technological races of today like space, quantum computers, artificial intelligence, we have to do everything we can to protect these technologies. we have to protect them from our adversaries, and the department of commerce is on the front line of that. and you 60 minutes interview, a lot of the issues you talked about were alarming and spot on. in our efforts to address competition and threats from china, we need to make sure the department of commerce has the tools, resources like art other

frontline defender in the department of defense. we can always give you money and manpower, but what technology tools do you need to work smarter like supply chain, mapping, etc.? how can the commerce working with the fbi, department of home and security to address law enforcement issues? and secondly, what are we talking about here is a balance between enforcement in helping the economy. what we have here is a boeing paradox. going as to sell planes to china, but what happens if we are in a situation that is more aggressive with china? talk about how you balance economic security with economic needs. did you get all of that? sec. raimondo: i am familiar with your tech hub. >> it makes me excited. sec. raimondo: the governor is

called me numerous times, so i got the memo. secondly, we do need people. some of it is just human beings to do enforcement, right? we are trying to cover the world here, so, yes, we work with the fbi, the intelligence community. we are, we have several new efforts with the doj, enforcement comes from the doj but we do need more manpower, to your point. we also need more i.t. systems. we need more data sets. the amount of information available, and also we need to use ai, so we need to buy products that are ai enabled that allow us to scour every dataset all over the world and

every piece of data, public and private, to tell us what is really going on. that's what we need. here is the one thing i would say to you. you mentioned boeing. we aren't trying to cut off all trade with china. we aren't trying to cut off, we will try to sell to them and that is good for america's economy, semiconductor chips and technology. the reason is because they make a lot themselves, they can buy a lot from the rest of the world. we need to focus on these choque point technologies -- choke point technologies that we have and they can't get access to, not commodity-type goods. it makes it, it is more doable if you can identify, what are the choque points and focus on that and work with our allies,

work with the japanese and the dutch for example on semiconductors to completely deny china, to slow their military down. that is important. we need to focus on military capability. i will tell you, we have controlled almost 700 types of dual use items to russia, to the questions before, and we are constantly adding, i think we have added almost 100 chinese entities to the entity list because they are trying to aid and abet russia going around our export controls. so this is hand-to-hand combat every day. we have to go at it every day and the resources i'm asking for will help us do a better job. >> i yield back. rep. cline: good morning. i want to talk about, federal

contractors taking ownership of patents on inventions created with federal funding. the government has the power to grant compulsory licenses to third parties. december 8 of last year, a draft framework was issued to provide guidance to federal agencies on what to assess, considering whether he -- two authorize authority. it was passed in 1980. the office states the law makes no mention of reasonable price that should be -- are you concerned the administration's proposal to consider price is a factor for exercising marching rights will send us back to a time when government research sat on the shelf? sec. raimondo: we stand on the side of ip protection. and the document to which you are referring is nonbinding.

it is interagency memo for guidance. which is just that. all of this is a balancing test. the president has rightly focused excessively -- extremely on bringing down the cost of pharmaceuticals and bringing down the cost of medicine and drugs successfully. but i don't want you -- i don't want to give you any impression we stand strongly on the side of i.p. protection. mr. cline: thank you. let me stay with i.p. over the past decade standards essential patents, s.p.e.'s have become a focal point of controversy. the european courts, germany, frequently issue injunctions against u.s. companies for common industry standards such as wi-fi which do not align factors in the united states. -- with practices in the united states. these injunctions don't address competitive harms but compel companies to agree to excessively high royalty fees. the recent establishment of the unified patent court in europe poses an increased risk as its

injunction also have broader implications across multiple countries in europe. given the significant impact of this on u.s. businesses, can you explain the administration's stance on the proposed regulation concerning essential patents and how it plans to stand up for u.s. companies in the face of challenges posed by entities like huawei and others. who engage in aggressive patent monetization? secretary raimondo: what i can tell you is we just had kathy, who runs the patent office, in china, focused on many of these issues. she was recently in europe. i have to get back to you with a proper answer. i will do it and maybe you and kathy and i can have a phone call and go into the details. mr. cline: that would be great. as the president's principal advisor on spectrum issues, ntia plays a role in continuing the -- ensuring the technologies of the future continue to advance u.s. telecommunications industries, employing 5-g technologies, with the danger of

falling behind china, do you agree the united states must restore the s.e.c.'s auction authority and identify and -- a pipeline on spectrum that can support commercial innovation and u.s. leadership? secretary raimondo: i do. here's what i think. i think certainly we need to restore their auction authority. i think this is a balance which is to say we support an ntaa studying the spectrum, seeing what could be made available. and looking at maybe spectrum sharing. we can't -- d.o.d. needs what it needs to do its mission. a lot of the spectrum is really important. i strongly support figuring out how we can find some spectrum to advance commercial innovation without ever impairing their mission. i think it's possible. by the way, here's what i also think. we can't think of national security so narrowly. i said this before. national security isn't just tanks, missiles, satellites, etc. it's also our ability to out

compete huawei, our ability to out compete china. if you look at the amount of mid band spectrum available in china versus here for commercial sector, we got a lot of catching up to do. i think it's complicated and i don't want my comments to be interpreted as saying go take from the d.o.d. whatever we need. but i do think it's a discussion we have to have. and we absolutely need their auction authority re-authorized. mr. cline: thank you. one more. and tia has approved four states plans so far. you testified repeatedly, that the underlying statute prohibits them from regulating broadband rates and you are not regulating price setting. i'm hearing approval by virginia has been held up because it declined to do that. such prices at and tia request. it has been five months since the louisiana plan which was submitted at the same time as

virginia's. and virginia still has not been approved. there are no remaining outstanding issues i understand with virginia's plan under the rightful acknowledgement that neither ntiaa nor the state has the authority to set prices that they are requesting. can you commit to approving a state plan that complies with the law and approving virginia's plan? secretary raimondo: i cannot commit to the last one. i'll commit to the first one. let me say this. these are super complicated. there will be more next week and more the following week. we are getting our fly wheel going. i will look in on virginia when i go back this afternoon. what i can promise you we aren't rate regulating. we are not telling any state, including yours, if you don't provide it at x dollars we are not going to give you the money. the statute requires us to have low-cost options. we are obviously pushing states to make sure they are providing low-cost options. i will tell everyone here that

by the end of this year, by the fall, i'm pushing the team to have all these plans approved. i meet with them every week to say where are you and how to go faster, and i'll look in on your plan. mr. cline: thank you. yield back. chair rogers: ms. meng. ms. meng: thank you, mr. chairman. thank you, secretary raimondo, for your tremendous work and for being here today. i wanted to go back to the citizenship question that was mentioned earlier. as you know well and you alluded to, the 14th amendment of the u.s. constitution states that representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state. i know that you and the public servants who lead the census bureau take this mandate from the constitution seriously. is there any agency in the federal government that keeps track of noncitizens? secretary raimondo: you have

stumped me. ms. meng: i assume -- secretary raimondo: not certainly in my permit -- remit, no. ms. meng: why is the practice of counting every person living in each state needed to produce an accurate and full census? secretary raimondo: because as you well know, and every governor knows, i know this from being governor, the census is just about getting information. how much housing is required in a particular state. how much -- how many people are going to be in the schools. that's why i bristle at any political interference frankly from either side as it relates to the census. it's like just the facts, ma'am. we have experts collect, as you say, follow the constitution, every person. undercounting, undercounting is a problem because it's an inaccurate picture of what's

going on in every state and what kind of safety services are needed. what kind of educational services are needed. if people are afraid, if people are afraid because of their immigration status to talk to the census counter, we are not going to get an accurate number, and that inaccuracy prevents us from doing the best job we can at running government at the state level and federal level. ms. meng: if we were to violate what the constitution has charged the census bureau to do, would that potentially affect the amount of federal funding that a state could receive? secretary raimondo: absolutely, yes. ms. meng: thank you. i wanted to also thank you for your department's recent action on regulating licenses for firearms experts. i know that my colleagues on the other side of the aisle are extremely concerned as we are about the threats posed by

transnational criminal networks and adversarial governments. i must say that i'm confused by their opposition to their proposed change. i want to ask if this rule will keep american guns out of the hands of drug traffickers? secretary raimondo: we hope it will. that's its intention. that's how we are going to enforce it. i'll say i was recently in costa rica, a region of great instability. the president there was they're a democracy, they are trying to develop their economy. that's good for the united states to have an ally with a thriving democracy in that region. contrast that with ecuador. we are doing this, not for political reasons, but for our own foreign policy. it's not in our interests for drug traffickers, terrorists, murderers, people interested in fomenting instability and destroying democracy to have guns.

ms. meng: will this rule decrease the number of american guns in the hands of foreign terrorists and transnational criminal organizations? secretary raimondo: yes. we believe that it will. ms. meng: will this rule make our world and our country safer? secretary raimondo: yes. we believe it will. ms. meng: finally, how will the funding that the department of commerce has requested for fiscal year 2025 enable the bureau of industry and security to continue its work of protecting our national security, especially as it relates to gun violence? secretary raimondo: we are asking for additional funds for more analysts, more technologists, more data sets, more technology, and more enforcement agents. we can have the best policy in the world, but if we don't have enough people to enforce it, we

are not going to be effective. ms. meng: thank you. i yield back. chair rogers: mr. garcia. mr. garcia: thank you, mr. chairman. on the census conversation i agree everyone should be counted for the purposes of infrastructure and public safety. but not for the purposes of representation either at the state level assemblies or in the house of representatives. which is currently, it does wag the dog in terms of representation. that's the point what we are trying to do. madam secretary, you and i share the aspirations of reciprocal trade agreements with china. i agree we can't cut off all trade with china, but imparting on them the same terms and conditions of contracts and share ratios, access to intellectual property that they put on us when we do business in their country i think is important when they do business in our country. we'd love to keep those conversations going offline if

we can and figure out how we can help in you that regard. that's a broader conversation. the former program director and me can't help but look at chips act as a very massive program that should have program management reviews on a regular basis. this is probably one of the forums we get to do that. i'm going to ask you questions. there are some indexes, s.p.i. and c.p.i. schedule performance index, cost performance index. the original budget of chips was roughly $280 billion. now we are approaching about the two-year anniversary of the passage of chips. we didn't really have an objective end state goal in terms of dates, but we all kind of understand that 2027 is an important calendar line in the sand relative to the highest risk potential of china invading taiwan. with those numbers and that paradigm, how are we doing from a program management perspective?

are you on schedule? are you on cost? and before you answer i want to overlay the feedback that i'm getting from folks in silicon valley, also smaller mom and pop shops in southern california and throughout the country. they don't feel like we are going fast enough. they feel like they are being overregulated. they feel like we are overlying they feelhe like we're over relying other requirements and specs that is nothing to do with the technologies that have nothing to do with the performance or maybe the construction of facilities. there are actual dei metrics being imparted on these contracts and track, the conditions of awards. nipah issues environmental quality issues that continue to just get worse and deeper. there are some companies that having to retroactively go back and show compliance to labor policy that would not otherwisea

had to have done. with construction would not hav been done by outside union labor organizations. you are pushing a lot ofit smalr companies away with these regulatory requirements from participating. this is exactly what we were afraid of happening. you and i, appreciate all the time you spent in a scif with me explaining the nexus of the duty of making sure were satisfying those requirements. i'd like to take that conversation off-line andnd follow-up, but talk about the health of the program in terms of metrics, are we on schedule, on costs? how do we go faster? these barriers to speedw are real. how can the contracting officers value speed as much as they value of the things maybe such as dei or some of these labor policy requirements being enforced? >> great, thank you. first real quick, one of the things we did recently was

through dis was around connecting vehicles. you can't drive for tesla to the airport in beijing. you can't. you can't drive american-made connected vehicle around certain areas in china. so what's fair is fair. what we're saying is we are concerned about chinese connecting vehicles on the roads in the united states not for terrorists and such but economic disparities, but they do. think of all the data. >> like electric buses being driven to play at 42 that are made by a chinese company would be a problem which will have in our district? >> collecting data on the driver, what they say, , where they go, they're driving patterns. so just a second to let you know i amid trying to move out on soe of these reciprocity ideas that we've been discussing to protect

americans. >> great thank you. >> look, i'm chips come here's what i'll say and i'll try to get in 30 seconds. i think we are on path, the bottom line. you say we're approaching the two-year anniversary. it have six months before the two-year anniversary so that's a lot of wood to chop between now and then. >> ogp that. >> we have put out, i started with nothing. i now have 20000 people, amazingly talented people. we would welcome you welcome come be committing time. we would put up $29 million. we've been on a roll recently. i know people were frustrated until the beginning of this year. the last three months we have done i think seven or eight big deals, putting out nearly $30 billion, all to leading edge provider. the conversation we had earlier, tsmc has committed to build three fabs, including two-nanometer chips fabs in the unitednc states. samsung is included, leading edge, plus research and

development, plus packaging. micron would be at scale. so i think, look, i know i have to go fast but it's much more important that i get it right. the metric i look at is, will we be making 20% of the world's leading edge chips in the united states by 2030? and i say yes. i think we can. with respect to the smaller companies, it's a challenge but we're trying. we had just put out an application for smaller companies to apply. so i can to give information, get the word out to your constituents. it's hard for little copies to interact with government. we have a specific application. we're going to do another one, $50 million research and development that only small companies can apply to. with respect to nepa, look, it's tough. i have a whole team that is helping companies work tohe the nepa issues. we're getting there but it's a

challenge. david bacons in the law. davis-bacon is in the statute. we will comply. we are complying. i don't think, look, every condition we're putting in their some related to workforce, some related to child care, some related to dei, i can honestly tellll you, congressman, it's designed to make sure these projects are successful. they need to find workers. you say what's the biggest risk, its lack of workers. we are pushing these companies to broaden the way they think about workforce, the way they trained workforce, so they can have the talent they need on the timeline that they needed. so this is a big discussion. i would be very happy to follow up with you. >> thank you. thank you. yield back. >> that concludes the first orround of questions for our witness. there is a request for additional questions. so will do a second round but ii asked none of us can said of all

members that would limit remarks to three minutes. to allow the witness to meet an obligation at noon that she has. so, madam secretary, we will get you out of here in due course. >> appreciate that. >> i recognize myself for three minutes. talk about space business, space commerce, rapidly growing thousands of new, small and medium-sized satellites being deployed to low-earth orbit yearly. this office has been designated as the organization for tracking and managing those assets, small satellites. there are thousands of them. i am told. what will the space commerce

unit at the department of commerce to do to count the satellite? >> there are so many, as you have said, so we are developing a space situational awareness and traffic coordination program. i think of it as like air traffic control for space. and we received $65 million last year ton develop this. we arere requesting another 75 million in this budget to continue that. it's on track. it is on track. we have an excellent person running the office of space commerce. and that's our primary focus right now is developing this tracking system so we can have an awareness of where all of this space satellite activity is. >> well, space commerce has been given the mandate to begin to

track those assets, existing and new ones to ensure that they don't -- the deployment of new systems in low-earth orbit, and breath or poorly that you not inhibit civil and other space satellite deployment as well as rocket launches for various nasa missions. tell us how this is going to happen. this is a big task. >> it is a big task. it is a big task. i think, look, space, space commerce is a burgeoning industry and its critical the u.s. leads in the civilian space areas,al commercial space. so fundamentally what we have to do is make sure the u.s. leads in that area. developing this space situational awareness system,

which we are doing and the space traffic coordination system, enables us to do that by, if you keep track of everything it reduces collisions. it reduces problems and create safety... and, quite frankly, it's an incentive for investors to invest in u.s. commercial space industry, if we have this space trafficking system effective. >> and one complicating factor is we are going to deorbit the international space station in 2030, and many of the commercial providers now on that station would be looking for a new homet in low-earth orbit, which complicates it even more. is that right or wrong? >> that's right. it's a balance. we have to balance theseth interests. >> thank you.

mr. cartwright. >> thank you, mr. chairman. secretaryim raimondo, i want to talk about the united states economic development administration which is housed in the department of commerce. eda has an important role in spurring job creation and economic diversification in communities that have suffered the client and stagnation as the industrial economy rapidly evolves. that's true in my district. you know that in northeastern pennsylvania our economy has been bumping along since the decline of coal mining, since nafta, which bestowed benefits and burdens across our nation, but unevenly across our geography.va we suffered a lot of manufacturing loss in northeastern pennsylvania because of nafta, and legislative efforts since then have not fixed that problem.

but eda is one of the solutions and have like to hear, by the way, thank you are visiting pittston and northeastern pennsylvania. you know that pittston mayor has done amazing things to bring back that small city, and we want to do more. i would like to hear broadly what key economic development needs are youou hearing most ofn as you go around the country visiting places like pittston? >> yeah. i had fun going, so i enjoyed the visit. what i hear, and it's across all of your states, right? it's cold affected commuters, nafta affected community spirit where i'm from in rhode island, the jewelry manufacturing capital of the country, all withered away. so what i hear is a need for u.s. manufacturing.

there's something special that manufacturing jobs. they are high paying. they don't a college degree. there's a job for a goat in the facility. people say why can't wee make more in america? that's what is so exciting for me when i'm out in arizona where i recently was with tsmc and intel. it's amazing. tens of thousands of manufacturing jobs are brought about by the chips act. i hear the constant need for retraining, which is why i created the good jobs challenge when i became secretary. people want to work. put yourself in issues of 842-year-old woman which has been a retail clerk her whole career, or a waitress and get put out of work in covid. she can't retire. she wants to work but she needs skills. she needs a digital skills or ai skills or something. so desperate need for retraining. andy desperate need to invest in infrastructure that will attract companies. and you see that in pittston or wherever.

sometimes you might have a vacant mine or a vacant manufacturing facility. have to be resuscitated to new mouses, and that takes money.fr eda pilot spends money on all of that. we are investing in infrastructure, investing in thesee buildings, investing job training. the knee compete, we compete as a helping the most distressed communities. thoseot are the ones that are te hardest and to take a lot of investment that it's worth it. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i yield back. >> mr. klein. >> thank you. transform concerned about the department's handling of long-standing and ports of the plywood into the united states. two countries with operations of addition s-uppercase-letter s, countervailing duties over and put the lease plywood and 2021

and 202020 with the department presentation importers that plywood imports with the vietnamese court would not be subject to such duties. retroactive decision in 1-2-3 has had significant negative impacts on u.s. companies which import this product. these companies individually audited the plywood imported originate in vietnamta and china which was the target. yet the department refuses to o consider such proofs and very relies on account of the minis exported to satisfactorily respond to commerce questionnaires. so the ultimate issue is where did the product w come from, the upper china? this matter is currently independent administrative review and expected by july 30. i would ask you to hopefully accept and considered independent audits to resolve this matter. if you have in response. >> just a couple things. this is a quasijudicial process with which i can't really interfere. the concern which we see a ton of is it is china dumps into the

topic the out into the united states. it's an end run around our anti-dumping regulations. it's appropriate for me to look at it and certainly have my staff reach out to you. we are not asking, we do want hurt your local company. we do want to hurt china try to get around our rules. >> completely agree. just ask for a fair evaluation of the evidence being -- >> i will do it. >> thank you. with regard to counterfeit chinese vapes, in the december 2023 press releaseno announcing fda and cbp's joint decision of illegal e-cigarettes with retail value in excess of 18 million, the fda said many of these unauthorized were intentionally missed declared with items such as toys and edshoes and listed incorrect values. if shippingg containers full of

illegal the paper products from china are missed declared as to the country of origin to avoid .5% china tariff, this would represent criminal violations of custom falls on an industrial scale. it would also not too massive fraud and use treasure in terms of lost tariff revenues for imus and you're aware of how big this problem is. what steps have you taken to address the problem and recover those losts? revenues? >> once again, it'sn a detail d i can get back to you. that's moses cbp-ish i will say. we work closely with cbp. we forced them all the data they need and we cooperate with them but this is what you are talking aboutmr is primarily in the rem. >> all right thank you. i yield back. >> ms. delauro. >> thank you, mr. chairman. with regard to dumping, i think closing the de minimis loophole is something that ought to be considered as well.

i think that's within the ustr. with regard to that, talking about countering unfair trade practice, what role does the department have an confronting china's manufacturing dominance through trade policy? and working with the ustr to address trade issues that have concern with allies, partners and actresses, what is, how if it all is the department working with ustr? >> we work hand in glove with them on so many issues. i want to say, i'm very concerned about this. it's no secret that china's economy is growing slower than it has and that they wanted to. it's also no secret that their strategy is to crank up production. they now represent about 30% of the worst manufacturing output.

they could decide to go to 60% to keep chinese people working which would be disastrous for the global economy. so i worry greatly, congresswoman, about the possibility that they do that and dumpct their cheap products whether it's electric vehicles, legacy semiconductor chips,, critical minerals. the list is long if they crank up production and dump it on the world market. so we are working very closely with ustr to try to identify where are we most vulnerable and what actions can we take here one thing specifically that we done at commerce, which is used the defense production act to do a mandatory survey about legacy semiconductor chips produced in china. we are trying to find out where are these legacy chinese chips in u.s. supply chains, and do we see any evidence of china dropping the price which would

distort the market and make it impossible for u.s. chip companies to compete? eye laser focusr. on the area in particular. >> it's the energy markets as well. they are exporting, manufacturing and technical standards and certain technology efforts as you point out, information, communication, advanced manufacturing. and obviously you are aware of the challenge and i think it's a comet that other departments are preparing and design what structures and you need. and again, what resources you may did to be able to counter. >> that's exactly right. >> very, very quickly, the $4 million for global markets, the ita requests that come which markets does ita see as strategic for this purpose and how would that the address? >> africa. i was just in kenya. extremely important. china is all over africa.

we have to show up. and certain areas of southeast asia. >> thank you. i yield back. >> mr. glide. >> thank you, mr. chairman -- mr. glide. [inaudible conversations] think the number of illegal aliens that were counted in the 2020 census had impact on the apportionment of the house of representatives that we have to date? >> i don't think so. but i don't, i don't have a great answer for you. >> okay. can you give me a great answer? >> what do you think? >> i think it did. i think it really did. i mean, if we look at over 20 million illegals in this country, and i think that had significant impact. >> my job though isn't -- >> let me -- >> go ahead. >> you mention the census this county the whole number of persons in each state. i agree with you. it's what the 14th amendment

says. but it also says in section two of the 14th amendment talks about representatives in congress, says the basis b of representation therein shall be reduced in the portion which a number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens, 11 years of age in such state. now, i know the 19th amendment added both male and female. the 26 and then lowered the age to 18. the 14th amendment still says male citizens is a basis of comics could make up its his citizenship as a basis of representation. and i'm grateful to take a clarifying action this week to prevent the marginalizing of citizens voting power by finally requiring a citizenship question on the decennial census. and by modifying the house of representatives apportionment to be based only on united states citizens. i look for devoting for h.r. 7109, the equal representation act, of which i'm a proud original cosponsor. now, can determine a little bit

about the census bureaus and your business survey? what is a cost of annual business survey and why did you go from five year in 2017 to one year? >> i could probably get you the cost. i had to get back to on the exact cost. >> okay. >> i do want to say something to your last question. the census job is identify persons living in this country, and i know from experience, i lived it, when you start to ask people about their immigration status, they then don't answer the door and will not be counted. it will lead to inaccurate data. >> i appreciate that, but i'm going, moving on to the census bureau's annual business survey. so my next question to you is how much money is spent on follow-up with those businesses that do not initially respond to the census annual bureau

business survey?do to have? >> i don't but i can get it to you. a great deal of money. we try to get going to respond. >> and how to determine who you ask? >> you have to -- has asked the scientist. to be clear i would interfere with any of this. this is statisticians figure out what's likely to lead to the best outcomes, and i defer to the judges for okay. then i can be assured that you will give misinformation. >> 100%. >> okay. thank you very much. i yield back. >> ms. meng. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i look forward to voting against the bill that is called the equal representation act but literally does the opposite. and to pretend that noncitizens do not live in our communities, and that's exactly what this bill would do, pretend, will only come as you mention, madam secretary, instill fear, force people into the shadows and take critical federal funding away

from every single state, red, blue, purple, rural, urban, suburban. .. in 2018 the previous administration repeatedly tried and attempted to add a citizenship question to the census, which i am proud to say that senator hirono and i and others fought against in congress and subsequently was blocked by the supreme court. i wanted to ask a quick question about the minority business development agency which offers many programs and services that >> agency which offers many programs and services that help businesses to grow and be competitive. i represent a diverse district in queens, new york, where many minority-owned businesses are in many ways the backbone of our community. secretary raimondo, how does the fiscalyear 2025 budget

request assure that those who most need the mda resources continue to access them. >> thank you. we've asked for additional $12 million in mbda to do exactly that so our mission is to help business owners economically disadvantaged, asian americans, members of your district and all of your districts, so, we're looking to add more offices, more staff, more service offerings, so we can be more available to these small businesses. >> thank you, i'll yield back. >> thank you, mr. chairman. madam secretary, people in the sixth district is a rural district. they're worried in many cases the debt of our nation being $34 trillion and a lot of the

budget requests you've asked for here are increases and some new agencies, particularly the supply chain resiliency for $37 million. off line, not necessarily here, please give me justification for that and what the office of supply chain resiliency intends to actually do because once the bureaucracy grows, it's hard to dial back i believe in the market. i'm curious how this is going to help the market, so later on please send me the answer to that, but i want to talk about china again and the threat that we're facing from our dictatorships israel-- iran, china, north korea and russia and the chip issue, you know, it seems like china is controlling all the strings. everything that they do in this country technologically is a military operation from the ccp, and everything that they do is a study on the pattern of

life. so everything has got a transponder in the ports to the cranes and pattern of life study when you discover how to attack a nation. and i believe we're in a proxy war with the cartels killing 200 americans every day for the equal to one child policy which is about to send them into oblivion. can you describe for me what you think the threat is from the electronics of china in the united states? >> a couple of things, one, i was very pleased to see congress take action on tik tok. that's an example of tik tok being on the phones of hundreds of millions-- tens of millions of americans, collecting all of that data. so, that was one thing. secondly, one thing we're doing is looking into electric vehicles, connected vehicles, chinese electric vehicles, on

our roads, at scale. could be collecting massive amounts of data on americans, who they are, what they say in their car, where they go to, their patterns of driving so we've opened an investigation of the commerce department looking at that. and also very much looking at cranes, excuse me cranes. the vast majority of cranes at u.s. ports are chinese. the cranes are no longer steel in the air, they're all connected collecting data. look, i'd say this is-- we are building the capacity of our icts unit at the commerce department and looking very seriously at all of these connected apps, whether they're games or cars or really anything, that collect data on large numbers of individuals, their gps location, you know, where they are, where they go, their family members, it's-- i think that we need to take the threat much more serious

and that's why we're moving out on these things. >> thank you very much, mr. chairman, i yield back. >> mr. roethlisberger. >> can you hear me? >> yes. >> okay. and there was devastating for so many maryland families and businesses and i'm sure you know especially for the port of baltimore. last week my colleagues and i saw in person a terrific effort to clean up and replace this bridge, but our state is still feeling many of the ripple effects after the collapse. and mr. secretary, can you describe what your department has done so far to support these maryland-based businesses, what are the department's plans for the future of this program, and how can we make sure that maryland's businesses can make it through this rebuilding process. and the port of baltimore is

one of the largest in the nation that this relies on. >> look, my heart is with you and all of the businesses there. i've talked to your governor on numerous occasions about this, by the way, noaa, the weather service and our scientists teams were on it right away to provide, you know, help in the immediate aftermath. >> i want to say it's one of the best efforts and hopefully it will pull the united states together, republicans and democrats, for the benefit of our country. >> yeah, yeah, i agree with that. i agree with that. in any event, we're reaching out, the mbd a & e da are reaching out to the businesses in that community, working with governor's office and working with the governor's economic development agency to see what services we can provide to those businesses. i think i'm -- i think it's on the books already. i'm going to do an event in baltimore with the governor, with small businesses, and i'm going to go myself just to let

them know all the services we have available for small businesses, figure out ways we can help them get back on their feet. >> it's going to cost about $2 billion to replace it, but it's a unique place and affects the port of baltimore. so thank you for your cooperation and your involvement there. >> thank you. >> yield back. >> mr. morelli. >> thank you, mr. chairman. if i can just talk for a moment about quantum technology, in a group meeting, some national quantum experts last week and one of them mentioned to me, 2017, the chinese used a satellite to send entangled particles between space and the ground. since then, as i understand it, china has constructed 2,000 mile quantum link between beijing and shanghai and computing and et cetera is a

huge leap forward in technology and we need to be at the leading edge of it. is there a value in building, does the united states consider, a significant national link between major sis cities that will allow us to use quantum. >> i'm not a quantum expert and i'll say it's frontier technology which is why we are export controlling seriously, it's up on the investment screening list and we have asked in the budget for $68 million which is an increase of 14 million to hire people to develop new standards and create research partnerships for quantum. so we're really leaning in with universities to push forward on the research.

whether or not what you say is the right idea we can follow up. >> i'd-- >> what i can tell you, the people will have an opinion and we should make that happen. >> good. i wanted-- you mentioned earlier a real problem around the chip space, which is work force, work force development. tell me about what the department strategy is to support work force development in the space so we can meet the needs of the businesses that are struggling. >> this is such a huge issue. i was yesterday with the ceo of one of the biggest construction firms in america. he said that the attrition rate on their projects is 50% because they're going to competitors, that they're turning down work because they can't find enough construction workers and his number one biggest problem is, you know,

lack of skilled workers. so we're doing a number of things and we're asking every semiconductor company before they get our money to show us their work force plan. we're giving-- as part of the money, the grant that we're giving to chips companies, a peace of it is for work force. so you know, intel, all of these companies are getting tens of millions of dollars just to do work force and also, we're developing a chips work force center of excellence just to train people. i think this has to be a moonshot. like if we succeed -- if we fail with this chips efforts it's because we haven't taken the work force stuff seriously enough which is why we have a whole work force team that reports to me just to work with colleges, universities, labor unions, high schools to train people to go to work in the semiconductor industry. >> i'll yield back and save for this comment and you don't have

to respond to me. for all the talk about illegal immigration, we have hundreds of thousands of people who would like to come to the united states like my grandparents did to work in the united states, to fill critical jobs that we had need to be successful with the low birth rate, maybe if we worked on reasonable fossil immigration policy we could meet some of the work force challenges and construction, health care, hospitality and the list goes on on and 0 that desperately are going to need i'll yield back. >> madam secretary you have been generous with your time and your opinion. >> hopefully not too generous in my opinions. >> we thank you for giving this time together. >> thank you. >> we will look at your budget request in detail as we proceed. so thank you for the work you're doing. >> thank you. >> lots of good things happening, in a difficult world

that we all of a sudden realize we live in. so thank you for your work. this concludes today's hearing. we want to thank secretary raimondo for being here today with us. without objection, members may have seven days to submit additional questions for the record and the subcommittee stands adjourned. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations]

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